2)) Load both of them with exact same bullet grain weight(150, 165, or 180 grain, etc.) It’s also in my opinion, the best cheap long range cartridge you can own.

Alas, that’s a real problem with today’s free interchange of ideas and information. I’ll write a blog on this topic in the near future, but for now I’d advise you that there is little difference in terminal effectiveness between these two cartridges when using the same bullets. It was designed specifically for the Remington Model Seven Magnum rifle, and intended primarily for long-range hunting use. Some 7mms exceed some 300s and vice versa. vs. 300 Win. different bullets.)

Ballistic Tip bullets for each. because shooters hot shot the throats to erosion, causing more friction on bullet jackets, causing higher pressures than in new barrels, in turn causing ammo makers to load to lower pressures.

Either way is fine by me. Perhaps some self-proclaimed gun writers are putting out misinformation.

a 22 250 Remington 700 ADL, 3 to 9×40 scope nine o’clock at night, free standing un supported, on the back of a ute, cold bore shot on an Emu (a bloody big fast running prehistoric bird like an ostrich) shot and killed @ measured 1400 yards!! So in the end up close the 7mm has the edge and later on down range the 300 comes out on top at first thought but as stated who shoots game over 500 yards or reloads for hunting at that range or practices at that range even less likely. It was designed specifically for the Remington Model Seven Magnum rifle, and intended primarily for long-range hunting use.

Your friend was misinformed by someone re the regs. Many shooters are concerned with recoil. Out of the box it weighs about 6 3/4 lbs. As this earlier post on RSO illustrates, the 7mm Rem. My 338 250 NP dropped a bull elk at 175 yards, lung shot on the spot! Its basically a wash as far as trajectory when using “real world” velocities.

In fact every single powder listed went over 2800 fps. Now I find out from my brother-in-law who lived in Fairbanks for 40 years, and a 47 year veteran fire helicopter pilot-friend currently based in Soldotna, AK for the fire season, the vast majority of Alaska natives use only a .22-250 with a V-Max 55 grain bullet.

This is what always seems to happen in comparisons involving the 7mm RM.

Helped push the bush on the then two track roads back to customs and the Rio Grand. Others also say caliber makes a difference in killing ability. That's the year Winchester brought to market its now famous 300 Winchester Magnum. I plan to shoot the 180 grain Berger bullet for large game. I figure you were likely satisfied with your 25-06 decision as well as the others. I have found that many 300 Win Mag “True Believers” will often talk about shooting heavy 200-220 grain bullets, but they routinely shoot 150-165 grain loads for most things. for 19 months, in Great Brittan, France, Germany, Belgium, Holland with the 95th Infantry Division & the 3rd Army.

On the other hand I suppose it would help me to be more like you in that type of decision making. But the right 150-grain bullet could be deadly on moose. CJV, you wrestle what all of us wrestle with at one time or another. Just remember that winning the velocity race with lighter bullets compromises the wind deflection and downrange energy races. A thousand yard one shot kill on foxes was a regular event (no bs) So, its not always the calibre because on the night in question there were 300wm, 270’s and a 243 plus the 22 250. Keep in mind every province is different.

.284 ELDX (.675) at 2,900 fps, at 1,000 yards the .308 would drop 231″ to 237″ for the .284. Come across a deal on a m77 300 WM used only for over 10 years.

Hi Nelson The substantial recoil generated by the round indicates that it means business: 7mm Remington Magnum-chambered rifles could tackle big games (buffalo, dear,…) without trouble. So my question is, is in your opinion is saving a 1 1/2 – 2 lbs in a magnum rifle really worth it – in things like felt recoil, carry ability, price etc. The 7mm will pack roughly 240 f-p more energy at 600 yards. If I had to choose, I would go with the 7mm Rem. You can load the 300 WM to well over 3100 fps with 180 gr loads and you can usually exceed 2900 fps with 200-208 gr loads with a variety of different powders. But, if you decide to embrace the 300 Win.

- Ron Spomer Outdoors, Long Range Rifle on a Budget - Ron Spomer Outdoors. for collecting bush meat, including moose. It all boils down to what ever suits the particular shooter’s fancy. I use a Winchester ball powder not available for nearly ten years, but I have carefully horded a few pounds.

is 0.3162. an example is both of them with a 150 grain bullet, and also same bullet type.

David, I Have hunted since I was 6yrs now am 76 and still hunt everbody s there own thinking but still comes down shot placement how well you can shoot and I was in 82airborne each his own. So when comparing the 7 to the 30, to me velocity, drop, energy between the 2 seems splitting hairs. Most brands offer 170 to 175-grain options in 7mm RM. Both were one shot kills.

The sectional density of the 168 grains 7 mm bullet is 0.2976 and that of the 210 grains .30 cal. But online DRT recommends the 243 Win with their DRT bullet for elk, and show a video with a quick 243 elk kill as if struck by lightning! In my experience a .224 to .243 varmint bullet that is slipped behind the shoulder into the heart/lungs breaks up dramatically, tearing tissues in an area about the volume of a softball , perhaps volleyball. Yes, many, perhaps most, far north natives employ 22-250 Rem., 223 Rem. Hey Dave, that’s not entirely true. The only down side around here in N.E Ohio is I don’t feel comfortable shooting it around the farm without a deflection ramp behind it to drive the bullets down into the ground because them things don’t stop very easily and I don’t want a 2 or 3 mile ricochet hurting someone. The capacity of the 7mm Rem Mag varies from brand of case. Ron, those are all great manufacturers, but their rifles aren’t cheap.

No problem, because like somebody said, the past is another country. The 7 mag is not loaded as hot as the 300 from the factory. Would a 7 Mag or even a 300 do that? If i purchase this rifle i am going to put a vx-3 4.5-14×40 on it making the overall weight with sling right at about 8lbs. Thanks Mr. Spomer. AND THAT ENDS THE 800 SHOT DEBATE.

per sec.

You are correct that the 300 WM carries more energy than the 7 RM, at least inside all reasonable hunting ranges.

I doubt, however, that Canada disallows any 7mm magnums. Mag. Went up the moutain, took the deer, returned with the quarters. How does the Rem 700 7mm mag compare with the Rem 700 Win 290 mag? It weighs 7.4 pounds. Well, I wouldn’t be eager to face a charging brown bear, but I’d trust either cartridge if I had to — so long as each was spitting a long, heavy, controlled expansion bullet. This is a fair comparison that I would like to see done. Heck, I can’t even decide which rifle/cartridge/bullet I like best. With those 2 rifles one would have most North American big game hunting covered with a bit of overlap.

Jim Zumbo used to hunt with an 06, then a 7 REM Mag.

14.07 fps                              24.6 foot-pounds, 300 Win. The cartridges do not have a BC, the bullets do. Or to be “fair” use a 180 in 7mm and a 180 in .308! There are some African jurisdictions that will allow the 9.3×62 (.366 caliber) for big game, as well — but yeah, that .375 is the minimum in most places.

As we age, it seems logical that less is better- in terms of weight and recoil. MK: Sav ing weight on a magnum depends on how you plan to use it. The information presented here is for general educational purposes only. I’d wager the majority of hunters still don’t go beyond half that range. forest has been converted to grazing land. that demolished at gallon plastic jug of water and went out the backside to blow a wide hole through a sheet of corrugated cardboard, suggesting internal organ damage to a deer or elk would have been devastating. The new ones have a wider beavertail forearm and palm swell. Meet myself, or any member of any long range forum, or, come to that, any military sniper . “A centrefire rifle of .23 calibre or less is not recommended” (2017 mb hunting guide) but is legal.

Same goes for listed bullet BCs.

Match those and you match trajectory/wind deflection. Thanks Ron for the comparison info.

Regardless, if I had to pick just one of these for all-round hunting, it would be the 7mm Rem.

My father took it into his arms and inspected it for balance and weight.

I feel silly hunting deer with a 338.

I already have almost all of the

to achieve a muzzle velocity of 3000 fps with a 160 grains bullet let alone 168 grains in a 24 inch barrel. values until 210- to 230 grains, and that means more recoil. Oh both of those rifles use were with out scopes. Your friend may have run afowl of the 5 round (4 magazine + 1 chamber) limit for centre fire rifles however. The heaviest bullets will then retain the most energy. I have a Weatherby Mark V Accumark chambered in 30-378 Weatherby Mag.

My current handload is the hornady 225 eld (g1 BC of .777) seated at 3.680 (0.020 off lands) running 2958 FPS with an ES of 6 fps. if a 7mm rem mag and a decent bullet fails to kill your elk,,,, then i doubt much else would work either,i have killed a lot of bulls with the 25-06 and good bullets,,,,,they die right away,,, the 270 ,30-06 and 308 also have all it takes to do the job,,,,,but the 7mm rem mag is a very good cartridge ,,hard to beat.

– Ron Spomer. The 7mm RM is already loaded to very high pressures. You should try Barnes ttsx 165gr round for your .300wm. I’ve shot Sauer 100s, Ruger Americans, Mossberg Patriots and Winchester XPRs that all grouped factory ammo MOA or less. 14.07 fps 24.6 foot-pounds. But THE 7mm is has within 300 a much better flight in wind (drift) and for those on a budget might be a better option. 1)) Load each of them with the very ‘maximum’ amount of powder each case will safely hold, and also with exact same type of powder.

As for my rifle purchases I rationalize the more the better; or less, but that is another story.

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Someone living cheek to jowl with moose every day can await the perfect chance. 3248 fps MV for 7mm; 3420 fps MV for 300 WM. And frankly I’m surprised the author used a 210grn bullet in the 300wm instead of a 180grn or even closer a 165 or 175 grn bullet.

At equal speed, the .30 caliber bullet will fly every bit as flat as the 7 caliber if not flatter and will hit with far more authority than its 7 mm. 2018 look out bear. Exactly what I was thinking I don’t know a single person that hunts long range or would ever shoot long range with a .300 win that go over 180g lol. That changes the ballistics significantly in favor of the 7mm and might alter your plans. Thank you.

My intent was to inform readers of the performance of that. Oh, one more thing: it is possible and probable that a big enough bullet that misses the CNS could still dissuade a bear from pressing its attack. For that matter a 243 shooting DRT bullets might be all one needs for everything? Exactly – That’s what a .375 H&H is for and is also the smallest legal required African round. It fits perfectly, because all choices were good ones…but you got what you wanted not what dad thought you might need.

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